Msg ID:
2750491 |
A question you have to ask yourself +5/-5
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Author:Citizens for sanity
11/26/2022 9:53:31 AM
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Looking at this board for the past several years has been entertaining.
You'd have to conclude that over 90% of the democratic postings involve Trump in some way.
So the question you have to ask yourself is why? Why is Trump such a fixation for the left?
Is it because they are afraid of his successes?
Is it because they are afraid that he is the only person ever to expose what Washington really is?
Or is it because they simply have nothing positive to say about thier own choices?
Does Trump really drive the everyday trials and tribulations of these people that obssess over him? If so, that may be the sadest part of anyone's life.
I mean, can you imagine thinking about an individual every day of your life and only focusing on trying to discredit a person that has no bearing on your life in general.
You should really concentrate on making decisions that make your own life worthy. Obssessing over Trump does not accomplish that.
Or better yet, focus on the positive things your presidential choice has done for this country.
Tell us how the borders are secure.
Tell us how we're not responsible for the worldwide inflation.
Tell us how families are struggling to make ends meet because of Putin.
Because at the end of the day, Trump is not even in this conversation. He is not president.
Something to think about |
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Msg ID:
2750529 |
Your premise is flawed +4/-2
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Author:bladeslap
11/26/2022 4:10:16 PM
Reply to: 2750491
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You said "75% of the democrats"
I know for sure Qrow is a republican and I'm a moderate ..
I've voted for both Republicans and Democrats in my life - That's what makes me independent.
Why are we fixated on him?
Simple. He wont disappear. Here are some facts
1. He's in every single front page news site - I've clipped today's articles so you can see for yourself?
Every single site I opened...Front page:
2. Only 34% of the country think It's a good thing for Trump to run again
How many scandals can one human be involved with? That's why he's in the news very day ...
Just yesterday, reports that he had dinner with Kanye and another white supremacist -
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Msg ID:
2750568 |
Excellent points but here's where you are flawed +3/-3
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Author:Citizens for sanity
11/27/2022 10:00:04 AM
Reply to: 2750529
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Trump is constantly in the news because that's what the democrats want.
There isn't day that goes by that the liberal democrats do not accuse Trump of something.
To respond to your scandal accusation, well, that's easy to figure out really.
Democrats are no different than a farmer. They spend most of there lives planting seeds. and that's what the dems have been doing for the past 7 years.
As it has been pointed out here on many occassions, there hasn't been a single claim, or accusation that has been proven true.
It is a continual flow of misinformation from the left. Let's visit just a few of the unfounded accusations.
Trump was accused of Russian collusion. Proven false, yet it was Hillary that paid for the Steele dosier that was fabricated using lies and deception.
Trump was accused of overpowering secret service to commodere his limo. Somehow that never amounted to anything. Where are those people now?
Trump encouraged the January 6th raid on the capital. Yet there is no mention of his request for additional security that was denied by Pelosi. And the fact that he told the people to protest in a calm and civil fashion. and why did the FBI spokesperson refuse to answer the simple question of whether they were present at the time.
And what about the raid on Trump's Mir A Lago home? Haven't heard anything more on that. The lefty's like to make these accusations at convenient times to make themselves look like the good guys. And then like to make it last hrough an election in an attempt to bolster there chances.
There are so many examples of this type of governent overstep. Liberals believe the first thing they hear from these democratic rags they call news.
And why are the Biden's not being called out for their obvious involvement with China & Ukraine.
Nothing to see here. That is about to change.
So where is my post flawed |
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Msg ID:
2750570 |
Excellent points but here's where you are flawed +4/-1
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Author:bladeslap
11/27/2022 10:12:15 AM
Reply to: 2750568
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So question for you Obsy ...
If he is indicted by a grand jury and then found guilty, will you change your tune?
Will you change your tune when the evidence is incontrovertible?
Haven't heard anything more about the Maro Lago raid? Are you kidding me?
1. DOJ Appealing to remove special master which has zero basis in case law or statutory law - 5 Days ago, DOJ went before an Appeals court to lift this "Special Master" that Judge Cannon (A Trump Appointee) made - The court of appeals has already struck down one of her rulings and they appear ready to say "Judge Cannon had zero authority to allow Trump to have a special master" - Mar-A-Lago Special Master: Appeals Court Appears Likely To Side With DOJ And Shut Down Trump Review (forbes.com) - Fyi, two of the three judges on the Appeals court have already knocked down part of Cannon's ruling and they appear to be ready to knock down the rest and invalidate everything she's ruled on
Because what does Trump do? DELAY DELAY DELAY -
the DOJ argued Tuesday that it’s likely court proceedings could still stretch on for months after the documents are reviewed if the 11th Circuit doesn’t step in. A ruling in DOJ’s favor would end the special master review and all of the litigation involving it, and mean the government can immediately review non-classified documents that were seized from Mar-A-Lago. It would also not be barred from reviewing materials that Trump’s attorneys argue should be shielded under executive privilege, which was still a matter being debated in court. If the court doesn’t rule entirely in the DOJ’s favor, it’s possible it could rule that the special master’s review shouldn’t end entirely but that Trump can’t claim
2. Special Council now setup as a result of Trump announcing his candidacy again - DOJ Now appointed Special Council to continue with the investigation and possible indictment of both Jan 6 and Maro
So, you think these things happen overnight? There are thousands of documents and hurdles put up by Judge Canon
Obsy, you are gettig sucked in by what Trump wants you to believe - Trump's master playbook is "Put as many roadblocks up as possible to delay anything from happening " -
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Msg ID:
2750573 |
The name is Citizens for Sanity sir, Obsy is AWOL +3/-3
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Author:Citizens for sanity
11/27/2022 10:20:37 AM
Reply to: 2750570
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You're correct, we still hear bits and pieces about the raid on Trump's home. But that is because they want this to stay on the front page to ensure Trump won't be nominated.
Exactly what my post pointed out.
Biden was responsible for the Ukraine strongarming, yet Trump was the guilty party. Explain how that could have happened. Especially whem Biden was recorded holding them hostage.
So do I think Trump gets treated fairly???????????? Absolutely not.
But rest assured, Trump won't be found guilty of anything.
If he had no intentions of running for POTUS. None of this would be happening.
I think you knw that to be true. This is not about guilty, or not guilty. This is abouot destroying Trump's chances of running.
Think about that
And what have you done with Sir Observer II. |
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Msg ID:
2750583 |
Wow +3/-1
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Author:bladeslap
11/27/2022 1:25:44 PM
Reply to: 2750573
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As usual, your claims about Biden - Ukraine have been completely debunked:
Joe Biden leveraged aid to remove top prosecutor as part anti-corruption efforts
It's true that Joe Biden leveraged $1 billion in aid to persuade Ukraine to oust its top prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, in March 2016. But it wasn't because Shokin was investigating Burisma. It was because Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians.
As European and American diplomats pressed Ukraine to clean up its corruption, they focused on Shokin's leadership of the Prosecutor General's Office, which he took over in February 2015.
Mike Carpenter, who served as a foreign policy adviser to the then-vice president, told USA TODAY that Shokin "never went after any corrupt individuals at all" and "never prosecuted any high-profile cases of corruption."
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Prosecutor was not investigating Burisma at the time Joe Biden called for his removal
Burisma Holdings was not under scrutiny at the time Joe Biden called for Shokin to be removed, per the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine, an independent agency that has worked closely with the FBI.
In 2014, Shokin had investigated Burisma for money laundering and tax irregularities, per USA TODAY.
The probe focused on 2010-12, according to the National Anti-Corruption Bureau.
Hunter Biden — who joined the board in 2014 and served on it until early 2019 — was not the subject of the investigation.
More:GOP-led Senate committees: Hunter Biden work in Ukraine a conflict of interest, impact 'unclear'
The case was settled in court in 2017.
The recent report by Senate Republicans also contained no evidence that Joe Biden had pressured Ukraine to fire its top prosecutor as a way to protect his son, according to the Associated Press.
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Msg ID:
2750681 |
So if what I say has been debunked..............who ........... +1/-3
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Author:Citizens for sanity
11/28/2022 5:10:43 PM
Reply to: 2750583
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was the person recorded talking to Ukraine and threatening them to comply or receive nothing.
Didn't sound like Trump, but I could be wrong :)
I would check with fact checkers first, they are an honest bunch. |
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Msg ID:
2750584 |
I'll put it in plain English +4/-1
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Author:bladeslap
11/27/2022 1:27:41 PM
Reply to: 2750573
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A REPUBLICAN Senate Committee found no issue With Biden witthholding money (Which he did Publicly) - It had no connection to any investigation of Hunter as that case was not active and had been shelved .
I'll repeat it again, even though you're going to forget it -
Senate Republicans found no fault with Joe Biden when money was witthheld - This was in fact US Policy and approved by Obama ... The IMF was also urging for the release of this prosecutor as was the rest of europe...
It's again why no one can have a rational discusssion with you -- The facts get in the way and make your argument inconvenient ... |
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Msg ID:
2750576 |
Bladeslap, you are aware of the truth! +2/-3
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Author:Old Guy
11/27/2022 11:12:06 AM
Reply to: 2750570
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You posted. (2. Special Counsel now setup as a result of Trump announcing his candidacy again).
So the DOJ is a political arm of the left!
And you post it!
You have NO right posting that the left is about law and order, when they start a investigation on a political opponent.
None of this has been about law and order, it has always been political hatchet jobs. |
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Msg ID:
2750586 |
Here we go again ... +3/-1
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Author:bladeslap
11/27/2022 1:30:58 PM
Reply to: 2750576
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Do you even know WHY special councils are setup??
It was setup with Mueller while Trump was President
It is setup now again because Trump is running again ... So as to not MAKE IT APPEAR POLITICAL, they put it in place .
Bottom line ...You're so incridibly uninformed that I feel like i'm talking to a 5 year old ...
Merrick Garland, said the selection would ensure “independence and accountability in particularly sensitive matters”.
So why did Garland take this step against the former president?
Do us all a favor and educate yourself before you waste any more of our time - It's painful reading you parroting all the Trump talking points ...
What is a special counsel?
Special counsels are usually highly experienced federal prosecutors. According to justice department regulations, a special counsel is appointed when an attorney general “determines that criminal investigation of a person or matter is warranted” but “investigation or prosecution of that person or matter by a United States attorney’s office or litigating division of the [justice department] would present a conflict of interest … or other extraordinary circumstances”.
An attorney general must therefore determine that it is “in the public interest to appoint an outside special counsel”.
Have those tests been met?
Garland says they have.
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Msg ID:
2750595 |
You are so full of it +3/-3
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Author:Old Guy
11/27/2022 2:07:14 PM
Reply to: 2750586
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Of course a Special Counsel is set up to investigate a possible crime.
NOT BECAUSE TRUMP IS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT!
Garland is not operating independently, it is obvious!
As this develops he should quit or get impeached!
And you could stop being such a fool.
They said they are investigating because of Trumps announcement, you posted it.
Not about investigating a possible crime, it is pure politics.
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Msg ID:
2750620 |
You are so full of it +4/-1
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Author:bladeslap
11/27/2022 9:28:26 PM
Reply to: 2750595
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It was made crystal clear, well before Trump announced he is running for president that if he announces he's running for President, Garland would have no choice but to hire a special council so as to put distance between the department's political leadership.
You just don't seem to have a grasp as to what's going on --- Do you think they should have NOT put an independent council in? Is that what you're trying to say?
Explain to me what you think they should do? |
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Msg ID:
2750660 |
You just keep digging deeper. +2/-2
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Author:Old Guy
11/28/2022 11:59:28 AM
Reply to: 2750620
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"THE DEPARTMENTS POLITICAL LEADERSHIP "
What the F-ck!
Do you understand anything about American and what makes it great.
One of our most important values is equal justice under the law. Justice is supposed to be blind, that means the legal system is objective and unbiased, the DOJ should have NO political leadership.
I question if you even value our country, obviously you place your party and politics above the values of the US and the people.
6 years now of political witch-hunts, kangaroo courts and fake stories with ZERO results. and the left keeps trying, and you keep believing, and you claim others don't have a grasp of what is going on!
What a useful idiot you are!
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Msg ID:
2750682 |
I think Old Guy just schooled the teacher. +2/-4
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Author:Citizens for sanity
11/28/2022 5:15:05 PM
Reply to: 2750660
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Great job Old Guy. But you're talking to a person that simply will never look at both sides of a coin |
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Msg ID:
2750748 |
You are so full of it +3/-0
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Author:TheCrow
11/29/2022 3:56:12 PM
Reply to: 2750595
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Of course a Special Counsel is set up to investigate a possible crime.
NOT BECAUSE TRUMP IS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT!
You act as though you think Trump guilty....
Otherwise, 'a Special Counsel' is no issue for Trump's candidacy. Quite the contrary, it allows Trump to claim that his candidacy is a danger to the establishment and the special counsel is an attempt to damage him. Which is exactly his campaign position: the 'liberal/Demmocratic' establishment is making baseless accusations and creating investigations to lend credibility.
There is more than enough apparent evidence to justify deeper investigation: inciting/promoting January 6 mob violence or at least a failure to enforce laws against mob violence; Mar a Lago; his dealings with various foreign governments- Ukrainia, China, not to mention election interference and attempts to corrupt elections, taxes.
If nothing else, his attempt to form a conspiracy to corrupt the 2020 election in Georgia must be investigated.
Donald Trump has "zero" defense against a criminal investigation into whether him pressuring Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger to tilt the election in his favor constitutes as election interference, said former Watergate prosecutor Nick Akerman on Sunday.
The ex-president is facing an investigation in the key swing state's Fulton County about whether or not his phone call with Raffensperger, whom Trump implored to "find" 11,780 votes to tilt the election in his favor, amounts to interfering in the election. The state's investigation is coupled with the House select committee that is investigating the attack on the U.S. Capitol last year, which is seeking to determine the extent of Trump's involvement in inciting the violence.
The committee's now-televised hearings have received much attention, but Akerman said during an appearance on MSNBC's The Katie Phang Show that the investigation in Georgia is more likely to "send Donald Trump to prison" because the tapes could bolster the prosecution's case against him.
"What is significant with those tapes is that when you put it in context of all of the evidence that the January 6 committee has uncovered—you put that together, Donald Trump has zero defense in Georgia," he said. "If I had to put my money on one prosecution that's going to go forward here that will send Donald Trump to jail—it's Georgia. No question about it."
A Georgia investigation into potential election tampering could “send [former president] Donald Trump to jail,” said Nick Akerman, a former Watergate prosecutor on Sunday. Above, Trump speaks in Nashville on Friday.SETH HERALD/GETTY IMAGES
Akerman explained the recorded audio tapes could be difficult for the former president's defense team to defend in court. In fact, he argued Trump's only defense in the case would be "trying to somehow pick up on some ambiguity in the tape that he didn't really mean what he said."
The former president, meanwhile, defended the call with Raffensperger in a post on his social media platform Truth Social on Sunday morning. He has previously declared investigations against him as a "witch hunt," and has insisted on his innocence, while also continuing to repeat the baseless claims that he lost the 2020 presidential election due to widespread voter fraud.
"My phone call to the Georgia Secretary of State, with many other people, including numerous lawyers, knowingly on the line, was absolutely PERFECT and appropriate. YES, it was a PERFECT CALL," he wrote.
As part of the state's investigation, a special grand jury earlier in June began hearing testimony from about 50 witnesses. The jury will provide a report to Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis, who will ultimately decide whether or not to indict Trump.
Other legal experts have offered similar perspectives that Trump could face criminal charges in the investigation. Former White House special counsel Norm Eisen said on CNN last Sunday that Trump "likely" committed crimes, and that the evidence "is particularly strong" against him.
Newsweek reached out to Trump's office for comment.
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Msg ID:
2750686 |
Please deny what I posted (NT) +2/-2
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Author:Citizens for sanity
11/28/2022 6:21:57 PM
Reply to: 2750570
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Msg ID:
2750751 |
Trump is constantly in the news because that's what the democrats want. +3/-0
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Author:TheCrow
11/29/2022 4:11:56 PM
Reply to: 2750568
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Trump is constantly in the news because that's what the democrats want.
No. Trump needs to be "... constantly in the news" to sell, affirm himself as an opponent of the establishment. Except that he is the establishment.
Trump is going down. He has finally exposed himself as the liar, cheat, thief and anti-American, self-serving traitor he has always been. Watch it happen. |
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