Msg ID:
2715045 |
This is interesting and flat out scary +2/-4
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Author:observer II
12/28/2021 8:09:15 AM
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Covid shot irreversible and potentially permanently damaging to children.
Dr. Robert Malone, immunologist, virologist, top researcher and inventor of the mRNA vaccine technology is speaking out to warn parents against Covid shots for children.
There are three issues parents need to understand:
- The first is that a viral gene will be injected into your childrens cells. This gene forces your child's body to make toxic spike proteins. These proteins often cause permanent damage in childrens crtical organs, including:
- Their brain and nervous sytem
- Their heart and blood vessels, including blood clots
- Their reproductive system
- And this vaccins can trigger fundamental changes in their immune system
The most alarming point about this is that once these damages have occured, they are irreparable
- You can't fix the lesions within their brain
- You can't repair heart tissue scarring
- You can't repair a genetically reset immune system, and
- This vaccine can cause reproductive damage that could effect future generations of your family.
- The second thing you need to know about is the fact that this novel technology has not been adequately tested.
- We need at least 5 years of testing/research before we can really understand the risks
Ask yourself if you want your child to be part of the most radical medical experiment in human history.
- One final point: the reason they're giving you to vaccinate your child is a lie.
- Your children represent no danger to their parents or grandparents
- It's actually the opposite. Their immunity, after getting Covid, is critical to save your family if not the world from this disease.
Information was from WI Morning News by Meg Ellefson |
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Msg ID:
2715091 |
The monster under your bed is entirely in your head, kid. +3/-0
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Author:TheCrow
12/28/2021 4:27:58 PM
Reply to: 2715045
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Covid infections kill between 1.6% and 2% of the infected. Higher ad you get older, starting at 60. But let's use 1.6% for argument.
Suppose that 6,207 deaths followiing vaccination in the article below were directly cause by the jab. Actually there are no deaths attributed to the vaccine, but for argument lets use the 6207 number. That's 0.0018% of the vaccinations.
1.6% divided by 0.0018%? You're 889 times more likely to die of Covid than the jab.
Yeah, you can be infected, especially with the omicron variant, most likely a mild case. And you can infect others. But that's true of unvaccinated asymptomatic infections also, a tie with the qualification that many hospital systems have admitted no vaccinated patients at all.
Trump was vaccinated in January 2021 after being hospitalized for Covid in 2020. He's smarter than the average TrumpeRINO frog boy, ain't he?
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Msg ID:
2715160 |
Ain't that cute. The smell of denial +0/-3
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Author:observer II
12/29/2021 12:05:37 PM
Reply to: 2715091
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Only a lib would completely dismiss a scientist that was involved in creating the mRNA and completely believe the liberal media.
Good job crofraud |
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Msg ID:
2715167 |
Educate yourself about your sources... +3/-0
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Author:Jett
12/29/2021 12:24:13 PM
Reply to: 2715160
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The Vaccine Scientist Spreading Vaccine Misinformation
Robert Malone claims to have invented mRNA technology. Why is he trying so hard to undermine its use?
Steve Helber / AP ; The Atlantic
AUGUST 12, 2021
Updated at 3:00 p.m. ET on August 23, 2021
Robert Malone—a medical doctor and an infectious-disease researcher—recently suggested that the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines might actually make COVID-19 infections worse. He chuckled as he imagined Anthony Fauci announcing that the vaccination campaign was all a big mistake (“Oh darn, I was wrong!”) and would need to be abandoned. When he floated that nightmare scenario during a recent podcast interview with Steve Bannon, both men seemed almost delighted at the prospect of public-health officials and pharmaceutical companies getting their comeuppance. “This is a catastrophe,” Bannon declared, beaming at his guest. “You’re hearing it from an individual who invented the mRNA [vaccine] and has dedicated his life to vaccines. He’s the opposite of an anti-vaxxer.”
In that alternate media universe, Robert Malone’s star is ascendant. He started popping up on podcasts and cable news shows a few months ago, presented as a scientific expert, arguing that the approval process for the vaccines had been unwisely rushed. He told Tucker Carlson that the public doesn’t have enough information to decide whether to get vaccinated. He told Glenn Beck that offering incentives for taking vaccines is unethical. He told Del Bigtree, an anti-vaccine activist who opposes common childhood inoculations, that there hadn’t been sufficient research on how the vaccines might affect women’s reproductive systems. On show after show, Malone, who has quickly amassed more than 200,000 Twitter followers, casts doubt on the safety of the vaccines while decrying what he sees as attempts to censor dissent.
Wherever he appears, Malone is billed as the inventor of mRNA vaccines. It’s in his Twitter bio. “I literally invented mRNA technology when I was 28,” says Malone, who is now 61. If that’s true—or, more to the point, if Malone believes it to be true—then you might expect him to be championing a very different message in his media appearances. According to one recent study, the innovation for which he claims to be responsible has already saved hundreds of thousands of lives in the United States alone; there’s talk that it may soon lead to a round of Nobel Prizes. It’s the kind of validation that few scientists in history have ever received. Yet instead of taking a victory lap, Malone has emerged as one of the most vocal critics of his own alleged accomplishment. He’s sowed doubt about the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines on pretty much any podcast or YouTube channel that will have him.
Whether Malone really came up with mRNA vaccines is a question probably best left to Swedish prize committees, but you could make a case for his involvement. When I called Malone at his 50-acre horse farm in Virginia, he directed me to a 6,000-word essay written by his wife, Jill, that lays out why he believes himself to be the primary discoverer. “This is a story about academic and commercial avarice,” it begins. The document’s tone is pointed, and at times lapses into all-caps fury. She frames her husband as a genius scientist who is “largely unknown by the scientific establishment because of abuses by individuals to secure their own place in the history books.”
The abridged version is that when Malone was a graduate student in biology in the late 1980s at the Salk Institute for Biological Studies, he injected genetic material—DNA and RNA—into the cells of mice in hopes of creating a new kind of vaccine. He was the first author on a 1989 paper demonstrating how RNA could be delivered into cells using lipids, which are basically tiny globules of fat, and a co-author on a 1990 Science paper showing that if you inject pure RNA or DNA into mouse muscle cells, it can lead to the transcription of new proteins. If the same approach worked for human cells, the latter paper said in its conclusion, this technology “may provide alternative approaches to vaccine development.”
These two studies do indeed represent seminal work in the field of gene transfer, according to Rein Verbeke, a postdoctoral fellow at Ghent University, in Belgium, and the lead author of a 2019 history of mRNA-vaccine development. (Indeed, Malone’s studies are the first two references in Verbeke’s paper, out of 224 in total.) Verbeke told me he believes that Malone and his co-authors “sparked for the first time the hope that mRNA could have potential as a new drug class,” though he also notes that “the achievement of the mRNA vaccines of today is the accomplishment of a lot of collaborative efforts.”
One target of Malone’s ire, the biochemist Katalin Karikó, has been featured in multiple news stories as an mRNA-vaccine pioneer. CNN called her work “the basis of the Covid-19 vaccine” while a New York Times headline said she had “helped shield the world from the coronavirus.” None of those stories mentioned Malone. “I’ve been written out of the history,” he has said. “It’s all about Kati.” Karikó shared with me an email that Malone sent her in June, accusing her of feeding reporters bogus information and inflating her own accomplishments. “This is not going to end well,” Malone’s message says.
Karikó replied that she hadn’t told anyone that she is the inventor of mRNA vaccines and that “many many scientists” contributed to their success. “I have never claimed more than discovering a way to make RNA less inflammatory,” she wrote to him. She told me that Malone referred to himself in an email as her “mentor” and “coach,” though she says they’ve met in person only once, in 1997, when he invited her to give a talk. It’s Malone, according to Karikó, who has been overstating his accomplishments. There are “hundreds of scientists who contributed more to mRNA vaccines than he did.”
In any case, it’s clear enough that Malone isn’t singularly responsible for mRNA vaccines. The process of achieving major scientific advancements tends to be more cumulative and complex than the apple-to-the-head stories we usually tell, but this much can be said for sure: Malone was involved in groundbreaking work related to mRNA vaccines before it was cool or profitable; and he and others who believed in the potential of RNA-based vaccines in the 1980s turned out to be world-savingly correct.
Malone may keep company with vaccine skeptics, but he insists he is not one himself. His objections to the Pfizer and Moderna shots have to do mostly with their expedited approval process and with the government’s system for tracking adverse reactions. Speaking as a doctor, he would probably recommend their use only for those at highest risk from COVID-19. Everyone else should be wary, he told me, and those under 18 should be excluded entirely. (A June 23 statement from more than a dozen public-health organizations and agencies strongly encouraged all eligible people 12 and older to get vaccinated, because the benefits “far outweigh any harm.”) Malone is also frustrated that, as he sees it, complaints about side effects are being ignored or censored in the nationwide push to increase vaccination rates.
And yet he does routinely slip into speculation that turns out to be misleading or, as in the segment on Bannon’s show, plainly false. For instance, he recently tweeted that, according to an unnamed “Israeli scientist,” Pfizer and the Israeli government have an agreement not to release information about adverse effects for 10 years, which is hard to believe given that the country’s health ministry has already warned of a link between the Pfizer shot and rare cases of myocarditis. Malone’s LinkedIn account has twice been suspended for supposedly spreading misinformation.
His concerns are personal, too. Malone contracted COVID-19 in February 2020, and later got the Moderna vaccine in hopes that it would alleviate his long-haul symptoms. Now he believes the injections made his symptoms worse: He still has a cough and is dealing with hypertension and reduced stamina, among other maladies. “My body will never be the same,” he told me. In media appearances, he often notes that he has colleagues in the government and at universities who agree with him and are privately cheering him on. I spoke with several of these people—vaccine scientists and biotech consultants, suggested by Malone himself— and that is not what they told me. The portrait they paint of Malone is of an insightful researcher who can be headstrong. They related accounts of him, pre-pandemic, getting booted from projects because he was hard to communicate with and unwilling to compromise. (Malone has acknowledged his penchant for butting heads with fellow scientists.) And they are taken aback by his emergence as a vaccine skeptic. One called his eagerness to appear on less-than-reputable podcasts “naive,” while another said he thought Malone’s public rhetoric had “migrated from extrapolated assertions to sensational assertions.” Stan Gromkowski, a cellular immunologist who did work on mRNA vaccines in the early 1990s and views Malone as an underappreciated pioneer, put it this way: “He’s fucking up his chances for a Nobel Prize.”
It’s only in the curious world of fringe media that Malone has found the platform, and the recognition, he’s sought for so long. He talks to hosts who aren’t going to question whether he’s the brains behind the Pfizer and Moderna shots. They’re not going to quibble over whether credit should be shared with co-authors, or talk about how science is like a relay race, or point out that, absent the hard work of brilliant researchers who came before and after Malone, there would be no vaccine. He’s an upgrade over their typical guest list of chiropractors and naturopaths, and they’re perfectly happy to address him by the title he believes he’s earned: inventor of the mRNA vaccines.
The irony is that, to the audiences who tune in to those shows, the vaccines are seen as a scourge rather than a godsend. No matter how nuanced Malone might try to be, or how many qualifiers he appends to his opinions, he is egging on vaccine hesitancy at a time when hospitals in the least-vaccinated parts of the country are struggling to cope with an influx of new COVID-19 patients. If you want proof of that, scroll through the many comments from his followers thanking him for confirming their fears. Malone has finally made his mark, by undermining confidence in the very vaccine he says wouldn’t be possible without his genius. It’s a victory, of sorts, but one that he and the rest of us may come to regret.
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Msg ID:
2715169 |
Educate yourself about your sources... +0/-3
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Author:observer II
12/29/2021 12:33:17 PM
Reply to: 2715167
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Looks like your article is another example of google's opinionated fact checkers.
Nice try though.
My buddy up in jersey had a christmas get together with about 16 family members.
All fully vaccinated
All infected with covid, that's right, all 16 of them.
All probobly thought this can't be. Because biden and fauci both professed the shot would prevent this from happening.
All lies, opinions, and greed.
So your article is meaningless unless you want to base your reply on an opinion.
At least your article is from the same decade this time, lol |
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Msg ID:
2715188 |
christmas get together with about 16 family members. All fully vaccinated +2/-0
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Author:TheCrow
12/29/2021 2:15:13 PM
Reply to: 2715169
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"... christmas get together with about 16 family members.
"All fully vaccinated
"All infected with covid, that's right, all 16 of them."
How Soon Might Symptoms Appear?
According to the CDC, COVID symptoms can appear anywhere from two to 14 days after someone is exposed to the virus.
Any of the "16 family members" hospitalized? Well established that 'break-through infections" occur, especially with the omicron variant. Which is usually not as severe and is not controlled by the vaccine, just minimized severity.
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Msg ID:
2715203 |
That's it lib, minimize the fact that the shot is worthless +0/-3
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Author:observer II
12/29/2021 4:25:41 PM
Reply to: 2715188
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Don't know if any are in the hospital, I don't think so.
Your two to 14 days is a guess btw.
All were two days or less.
Severity is a bullshit go-to, and you know it. Because that's simply conjecture and opinion.
SOme have no symptoms |
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Msg ID:
2715241 |
That's it lib, minimize the fact that the shot is worthless +2/-0
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Author:TheCrow
12/30/2021 2:10:01 AM
Reply to: 2715203
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"All were two days or less."
Typical Trumpster. Deny the science and the scientists.
Severity is a bullshit go-to, and you know it. Because that's simply conjecture and opinion.
I guess you get your professional advice here? Medical, legal, whatever advice and opinion comes from this forum and the "conservative" posters here? Me, I want a physican, attorney or whatever to have years of fomal education and successful experience for advice.
But, please descibe your issues for the forum so we can help you with that mole that's doubled in size and meets all the C's.
SOme have no symptoms
Y'all really have to make up your mind- is covid a lib plot to gain control of America? Did you describe any of the mythical 16's symptoms? Why did they have Covid testing if they had no symptoms? A physician told me recently that there's no point in testing as there's nothing to treat the disease, one can only address the symtoms- which are pretty much the same for flu, whatever.
My home county is in the midst of developing crisis. Hospitals don't have beds and the peak is not expected until next month. I guess dying at home is the best you.
No, Covid is a real medical issue that sciennce is working to address. They learn more every day, but Trumpist knuckleheads try to turn that on it's head, proclaiming that the more one knows the better the advice to address the issue. I mean, it's only 15 people and Trump had that under control.
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Msg ID:
2715275 |
Every single one of those responses was invalid and complete crap crofraud +0/-2
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Author:observer II
12/30/2021 11:30:41 AM
Reply to: 2715241
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Typical Trumpster. Deny the science and the scientists.
My post is based on real life. I never said that was the case each and every time Mr. CHerry Picker
I guess you get your professional advice here? Medical, legal, whatever advice and opinion comes from this forum and the "conservative" posters here? Me, I want a physican, attorney or whatever to have years of fomal education and successful experience for advice.
I had it with no symptoms genius. Everyone is different. The point is my smyptoms couldn't be lessened
Y'all really have to make up your mind- is covid a lib plot to gain control of America? Did you describe any of the mythical 16's symptoms? Why did they have Covid testing if they had no symptoms? A physician told me recently that there's no point in testing as there's nothing to treat the disease, one can only address the symtoms- which are pretty much the same for flu, whatever.
Testing is for people like you that are paranoid everytime you have a sniffle. And they are for people like me that are forced to test in order to keep their jobs.
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Msg ID:
2715184 |
"Ain't that cute. The smell of denial" Trumpists see facts as political opp +3/-0
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Author:TheCrow
12/29/2021 1:56:52 PM
Reply to: 2715160
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Trumpists see facts as political opposition. Remember Trump:
“We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. We have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.”
United States Coronavirus Cases: 54,166,064 Deaths: 842,465
Is it "Just fine"?
United States Coronavirus Cases: 54,166,064 Deaths: 842,465 |
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Msg ID:
2715153 |
Did you hear about the Goblins as well? +2/-0
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Author:Kraus
12/29/2021 10:54:48 AM
Reply to: 2715045
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Did you hear about the Goblins that also come to eat up children in the middle of the night? Realy scary stuff |
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Msg ID:
2715244 |
This is interesting and flat out scary +1/-2
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Author:Shooting Shark
12/30/2021 5:38:27 AM
Reply to: 2715045
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My Daughter ( MD) has been saying this all along.
None of my NINE grandchildren are vaccinated
Good luck with your genetic experiments on your own kids
useful idiots
PS in every communist revolution to date
the activists were the first to die
when the revolution was complete.
Two Words:
"Covid"
"Biden"
You voted for it
useful idiots!!!!!!! |
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Msg ID:
2715268 |
My Daughter ( MD) has been saying this all along. None of my NINE grandchil +2/-0
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Author:TheCrow
12/30/2021 10:25:19 AM
Reply to: 2715244
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"My Daughter ( MD) has been saying this all along. None of my NINE grandchildren are vaccinated"
Until recently, children weren't eligible for the jab. Perhaps that's why "None of my (your) NINE grandchildren are vaccinated"?
Y'all display all the symptoms of 'flat Earthers'. Whatever is new and different scares you. You're so afraid that even Trump's delusional rhetoric about "Making America Great Again", reverting to a 1950s percieved state of comfort appealed to you. That's reaction.
"Good luck with your genetic experiments on your own kids"
So, tell us what it is exactly that you know about the vax that the CDC, FDA study don't tell us?
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Msg ID:
2715321 |
My Daughter ( MD) has been saying this all along. None of my NINE grandchil +3/-1
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Author:Shooting Shark
12/30/2021 6:12:44 PM
Reply to: 2715268
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1. MRNA vaccines are experimental, cause unreported side effected in many people.
( the disclaimer in the notifications from Phizer say as much, but you didn't read it. Imposter it here and as usual you tried to spin and change the subject)
2. Ivermectin is safe, peer reviewed ( 30 studies) cheap and widely available with a 30 year track record
( you deny that fact proving your mindless unscientific political spin.)
does Pfizer have you on the payroll?
like it does the CDC? ( public/ private partnership)
3. The US government has systematically undermined medical opinion and medical fact to push these vaccines
they purchased compliance from the airlines and pushed unconstitutional mandates now being challenged in the courts. WHY should we listen to one more word from FAUCI and you?
You're a shill -- nothing more. Truthful Medical information concerning this present Omnicron BS is becoming widely known.
the leftist spin is done. No one believes the Biden government anymore
except ignorant people ( the usual naive and frightened DNC voter)
You racist Libz were more subtle
back when you and Margert Sanger had Klan meetings. then the Klan
morphed ito a DNC mafia
and "planned parenthood"
( and you racist Libz want the "hood"
to stay in Plannd ParrentHOOD, don'tcha?
You're a mindless
Useful Idiot.
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Msg ID:
2715325 |
Only someone as dumb as you would make a post like that +2/-0
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Author:Kraus
12/30/2021 7:25:32 PM
Reply to: 2715045
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You can't help stupidity. That's why you're helpless
People independent of the government recommended approval of the covid vaccines.
They have prevented more death than your little pea-brain mind can understand. Go back under your rock please. You're more appreciated there. |
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