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"Wrong again" On which point?  

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Author: TheCrow   Date: 12/9/2021 12:35:27 PM  +3/-0   Show Orig. Msg (this window) Or  In New Window

On which point?


"Southern Democrat were not liberals, they were as conservative as one could be, insisting that the America that allowed them to own, enslave people was a fundamental right."


You believe enslavement is a liberal principle? Jim Crow? I'm interested in hearing your explanataion justifying those slave owners as modern Democrats is going to be a challenge.


 


"Repubicans of that era were the liberals, although in an back-asswards way." 


Lincoln, the antebellum Republican Party had no intention of freeing slaves. The Emancipation Proclamation only affected the enslaved in slave states in rebellion, an attack on their economies- not a human rights/freedom issue at all. 


 


YOU didn't "... take away their slaves". They were lost as a result of those states being in rebellion. The states that did not secede still allowed enslavement.


 


 


 


 


>From Abraham Lincoln to Horace Greeley [Newspaper Clipping]1, August 22, 1862


 



1 Lincoln published the following in response to Greeley to Lincoln, August 19, 1862 (q. v.), a New York Tribune editorial entitled “The Prayer of Twenty Millions. In that letter, Greeley complained that Lincoln had not proclaimed emancipation as he was required to do by the Second Confiscation Act, and asserted that all attempts to put down the rebellion while at the same time upholding slavery were “preposterous and futile.”


Since Lincoln had already read a preliminary version of the Emancipation Proclamation to his cabinet on July 22, this letter has seemed disingenuous to some. In it, however, Lincoln makes it clear to the public that though he considers his primary constitutional duty to be to save the Union, partial or even total emancipation might well be the necessary means to attain that end. Lincoln needed to make his position completely clear without tipping his hand on emancipation prematurely.



 


EXECUTIVE MANSION,


 


Washington, August 22, 1862.


 


DEAR SIR: I have just read yours of the 19th, addressed to myself through the New York Tribune. If there be in it any statements, or assumptions of fact, which I may know to be erroneous, I do not now and here controvert them. If there be in it any inferences which I may believe to be falsely drawn, I do not now and here argue against them. If there be perceptible in it an impatient and dictatorial tone, I waive it in deference to an old friend whose heart I have always supposed to be right.


 


As to the policy I “seem to be pursuing,” as you say, I have not meant to leave any one in doubt.


 


I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored the nearer the Union will be “the Union as it was.” If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time save slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that. What I do about slavery and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save thise Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause. I shall try to correct errors when shown to be errors; and I shall adopt new views so fast as they shall appear to be true views.


 


I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty; and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men every where could be free. Yours,


 


A. LINCOLN.


 


 


 


And I repeat:


"Enslavement still exists. Illegal immigrants are hired, families maintained in de facto enslavement. One reason Trumplicans are all about 'illegal immigrants, etc.", this allows them to terrorize their enslaved with 'la migra': make too much noise about your work conditions? and a raid, mass deportation follows."


Further, de facto debt slavery slavery still exists. I have heard people discuss 'buying' a worker by purchasing the debt to an employer.


 


 
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